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hello my name is David Cameron although

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if you like you can just call me Dave a

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lot of people are asking me what I've

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been up to since leaving number 10 well

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I've been making quite a bit of money

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making speeches actually but it's not

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enough so that's why I'm now presenting

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sputnik over the next few weeks I'll be

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inviting on board some of my old

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cuttings from Eton Oxford so just George

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Osborne who did such a good job in

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running the British economy into the

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ground sorry I mean running the economy

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okay Dave I think we've all had quite

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enough of you my name is neil clark and

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i will be orbiting the world on Sputnik

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for the next few weeks standing in for

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George and gayatri 14 years after the

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us-led coalition illegally invaded and

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occupied her up in search of

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non-existent weapons of mass destruction

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the country remained in turmoil the US

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and its allies are now seeking to

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liberate the city of Mosul from the

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Islamic state a terrorist organization

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we should not exist for the previous

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us-led liberation of the country in 2003

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over 1 million Iraqis have died since

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bush and Blair launched their aggression

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but no one has yet been held to account

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for what the award-winning journalist

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John Pilger has called the crime of the

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century joining me now to discuss the

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current desperate situation interrupt is

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the Iraqi born writer epidemic and

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activist Sami Ramadani Sammy welcome on

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board the Sputnik thanks for coming on

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thank you for inviting me I think the

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last time we met Sammy was about two

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thousand eleven and twelve when we were

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both on the platform will stop the war

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we were speaking about event I think

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with Lindsey German the convenience stop

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the war and the chairman of the meeting

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was a certain Labor backbencher call

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Jeremy Corbyn yes I think thing I do

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remember that yes I think things have

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changed since then quite quite a few

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things have changed but the situation

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I'm afraid in Iraq is just as bad as it

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was or even even worse the carnage

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continuing out 14 years after the

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illegal invasion definitely I mean

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people often speak of the 2003 war again

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dirac in the past is a pass sentence the

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war happened in Iraq really in reality

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the war hasn't stopped because the

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country has been in a state of

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devastation and turmoil ever since that

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invasion the initial destruction of the

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invasion was followed by massive

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campaigns of the us-led occupation

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forces in various cities of Iraq the

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resistance to occupation grew and that

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was met with the utmost brutality we all

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heard of the torture of prisoners and

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have a great prison check and elsewhere

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across Iraq over a million people were

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killed as your as you said in your

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introduction but there are also if you

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like the unseen things that don't hit

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health system massive unemployment

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in the country the ruin of much of

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agriculture and Iraq wherever you look

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there has been enormous damage done to

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Rocky to Iraq as a state and Iraq as a

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society and I stress society because the

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devastating policy of divide and rule

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divide and rule in its most extreme

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brutal format of encouraging sectarian

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terrorism Iraq did not have terrorist

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organizations before 2003 but by 2005

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six the us-led occupation forces got

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bogged down in Iraq because people

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rejected them that doesn't mean they

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love Saddam but they hated the us-led

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occupation and people should also

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remember that before the invasion

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occupation of Iraq in 2003 the Iraqi

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people suffered 13 years of the most

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brutal sanction absolutely economic

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not sin against any state in the world

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of that severity sanctions of not

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severity before and that led according

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to the United station to the debt to the

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death of half a million Iraqi children

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between 1990 and 2003 okay and really

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the continuation of these campaigns

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against the Iraqi people became really

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criminal and damaging even further to

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society's cohesion is through the

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encouragement of sectarian terrorism the

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the United States 2005-6 got bogged down

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and resistance to their occupation grew

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across the country South Baghdad the

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north and so on and this the US generals

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and the CIA decided that the best way to

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protect the us-led occupation forces

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from total defeat like what happened in

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Vietnam was to spread lease and

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encouraged the rise of sectarian

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terrorism targeting other Iraqis us

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generals occupying Iraq so it's better

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to have Iraqis Kelly Rockies and Iraqis

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pointing their inner resistance against

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against the us-led occupation and this

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is what happened and we saw the gradual

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definite rise of sectarian terrorism

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with mosques being targeted popular

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markets bakeries schools weddings

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funerals and the story of this terrorism

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goes on and was crowned by the fall of

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Mosul to dash isis and jun 2014 two

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years ago more than two years ago now so

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you have this continuation of the United

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States us-led policies of destroying

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countries I cut that they cannot control

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basically and once they occupied Iraq

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you could see how they systematically

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went about dismantling the state yeah

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Saddam is gone but they wanted so they

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they disbanded the Iraqi army all

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disbanded all the ministries except the

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Ministry of oil yes and parts of our

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intelligence services buildings were

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kept intact plus the Ministry of oil it

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was so clear from day one bantered

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Baghdad they rushed to protect the

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Ministry of oil and protect one or two

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too important intelligence centers that

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for dummies these were the only places

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they initially he protected in Baghdad

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walls they took it over in 2003 and this

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immediately obviously revealed there

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through to intentions it was to control

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Iraq controller soil and and and also

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because these are countries they cannot

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control who ever is ruling the country

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that they cannot totally dominate seems

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to pose a danger to them and the sense

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that that country is not compliant

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number one totally at least not

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compliant and secondly this country

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might go into other alliances which they

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don't like and these two especially in a

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strategic region like the Middle East

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and now summer we put the US which has

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been bombing Iraq since the 1990s he's

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now bombing again to liberate Mosul from

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diache is group which would not be in

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existence without the previous

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liberation of Iraq in 2003 so the

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violinist continues and continues and

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you know what solution can there be what

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what positivity could we see it at all

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from this is there going to be any end

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in sight for the nightmare the rocky

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people versus in fighting Isis is

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important Isis and this other terrorist

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sectarian terrorist organization pose a

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danger to our societies whether he

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talking about Syria Lebanon Iraq Egypt

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also there there are moves to disrupt

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Egyptian society regardless of who rules

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it but to go back to muscle the entry of

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Isis the fall of muscle to Isis is very

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significant to observe that when it fell

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in jun 2014 the United States did not

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help Iraq at all messenger legal sep

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tember three months later because they

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put a condition they said will come and

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help you if you remove your Prime

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if you bring in a new Morales action

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Malachy I'm not no supporter of maliki

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they accuse them of being sectarian

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which is true that ISM as government of

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being corrupt which is true but that's

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not worried what worries them because

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corruption and dictatorships go

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hand-in-hand with us control and a lot

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of parts of the world just look at saudi

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arabia what were they worried about is

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that he wouldn't go along with their

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policy of backing terrorism in Syria and

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he would not go along with their

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suggestion of completely breaking with

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Iran somebody has to go he had to go and

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they waited three months until he went

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before they started any activity toda

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and even then they were not serious

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about it and even today in fact I'll

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most Iraqis think that the United States

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is not genuine they are using Isis for

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their strategic purpose they let it

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spread similarly in Syria but they fight

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it to limit its spread occasionally but

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they are benefiting strategically they

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have gone back into Iraq in a big way

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over 6,000 u.s. occupation forces are

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now in Iraq they are building new

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military bases they are building them in

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Iraqi Kurdistan and they are entrenching

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their presence in Baghdad through their

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massive embassy the biggest embassy in

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the world is still present in Baghdad

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and through the certain of their allies

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in Iraq they try to use the threat of

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Isis the threat of dodge the threat of

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terrorism but to threaten Baghdad and

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make it more compliant more pliant and

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this is a yet another chapter in the

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crimes of us-led imperialism against the

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Iraqi people Sammy one final question

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president Trump he made a big deal in

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his election campaign he was going to

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tackle Dionysus that was going to be his

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main priority are there any hope there

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could be a change in strategy of the US

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and that they will genuinely follow this

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through or is it still going to be as

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you said they still going to try to sort

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of pretend to fight Isis or half fight

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Isis or trying to use it for its own

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imperialistic sort of design so there

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are any chance that i show you how i

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think it is still the strategy in my

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opinion because

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what they are saying what temp is saying

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as Iran is the main enemy well if Iran

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is the main enemy then the local force

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that is fighting Iran I'm fighting the

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Allies of your honors Isis so so really

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I still could see how the United States

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might fight Isis but also use it

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strategically and they are trying to

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create this axis and when you add former

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US generally was commander of NATO

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suggested the only couple of weeks ago

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forming a gulf nato what he called the

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Gulf region NATO forces backed by the

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United States who are they going to

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fight so they are trying to to encircle

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further Iran because Iran again a soft

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because of human rights and so on is

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because Iran has stood up against us

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domination of the region well sorry

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thank you very much let's hope we can

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meet in a serious time and things will

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have improved i hope you i also thank

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you for coming on the Sputnik you're

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most welcome don't go away because

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coming up after the break we discuss the

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welcome back to Sputnik orbiting the

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world with me neil clark standing in for

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George and gab tree the NHS is the most

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enduring achievement of the first

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post-war Labour government of Clement

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Attlee but now our Health Service faces

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odds with the most serious crisis in its

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70 year existence forced to make 22

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billion worth of savings by the

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government by the year twenty twenty the

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head of NHS England Simon Stephens

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recently announced that waiting times

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for so-called non-urgent operations

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would rise meaning misery for 3.7

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million people Stephen says that due to

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the combination of an aging population

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and the rising demand for services the

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NHS simply must make choices about its

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priorities but with all the welfare is

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in the country should we be rationing

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our health care joining me now to

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discuss these issues is dr. Bob Gill a

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family GP from Kent and the producer of

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the great NHS heist a crowdfunded film

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about the dismantling of the NHS dr.

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Gill welcome on board they support Nick

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it's great to have you here Simon

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Stephens has said that basically if the

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NHS wants to prioritize on cancer

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treatments then they're going to make 1

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billion pounds of savings and that the

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the waiting list for so-called

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non-allergic operations has to rise

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probably beyond the 18-week limits at

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the moment but is that really fair I

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mean it surely the crisis is that we're

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not getting enough money in the NHS in

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the first place in visiting this 22

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billion the nations have got to say the

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inevitably means that waiting list would

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rise any way any fact they're already I

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read that the waiting is for nan og

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operations it is at its highest for

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seven years well you know what people

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have to realize is we are entering the

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end stages of a 30 year long

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privatization plan and what Simon

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Stephens is outlining is to create

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longer waiting lists and to use that as

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a driver for the insurance industry

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because what is happening behind the

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scenes is the NHS have gone from a

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public service which has been largely

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publicly provided and funded through

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taxation to a system based on the

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American model which is run by the

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insurance industry driven for profit not

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based on patient care but your ability

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to afford insurance and in order to

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drive that market you

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to create waiting list because waiting

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was work relatively low weren't they

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back in 2010 but they've shot up now the

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government's Health and Social Care Act

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of 2012 which basically d national

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identity attended how is that it

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impacted on this well the 2012 act which

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you mentioned did several things it

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removed the duty of the secretary of

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state to provide comprehensive universal

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health care effectively abolishing the

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NHS and what we've seen since 2010 under

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the cover of the austerity agenda is a

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deliberate b funding of the NHS for the

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settlement for the NHS which which was

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historically around four percent growth

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per year I spoke to less than one

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percent per year so in effect we have

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built into the NHS severe underfunding

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and we're seeing that in deterioration

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for the staff working conditions and

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we're also think that in the poorer

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service that patients are getting and to

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include on top of that preparing the

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public for longer waiting lists well who

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will benefit from all this bad news the

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insurance companies waiting in the wings

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and of course is this dichotomy really

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between not so called non-urgent

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operations and cants operations really

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fair because these not operate non

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urgent operation many of the patients

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are in extreme pain my mother of example

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is in a late 80 she's waiting for a hip

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replacement she's in great pain and of

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course the danger is isn't it that

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actually health would get worse of

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people who are who are waiting for these

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operations which could create more cost

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in the longer term with any of these

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proposals the government have to put

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forward a plausible narrative it might

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now reasonable on the surface to

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prioritize cancer and who could argue

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against that but what is lying behind

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this is the agenda to convert to an

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insurance company citizen insurance

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system but you're right patients who are

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on waiting lists or suffering they're in

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pain some of them may develop

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complications for example a hernia that

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might strangulate and you end up with a

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very serious operation we've got a lot

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more costs a lot more puts the patient

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at jeopardy and for hip replacements

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patients are in pain they're at higher

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risk of falling so the government's are

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quite prepared to increase the

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unnecessary suffering of patients to

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force through their privatization agenda

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why isn't there more of an outrage about

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this dr. Gill because this is pretty

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scandal

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isn't it the lead we put he 500 billion

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to save the bankers the bankers bailout

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in 2008 and the NHS is being forced to

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make 22 billions of savings why isn't

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there more public outrage and what can

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we do what practical steps can people

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who support the HST well there is a

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large a degree of public and awareness

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and ignorance this is fueled by lack of

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coverage of these issues or lack of

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analysis particularly on the BBC get a

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superficial analysis and the solution

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tends to be propagating the

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privatization so we have to break out of

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the collective silence and try to

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educate and inform the public that's the

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first thing but the other important

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thing is to understand how this fits in

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to the grand scheme of the insurance

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conversion and that takes a little bit

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of understanding an explanation that's

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why we've embarked on this film project

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about the film yeah well there are three

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elements to the film there are three

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things that the private sector are after

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first of all the budget 120 billion

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recurring NHS budget they want that

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secondly there's a land and the

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buildings that's a terrific asset which

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most of which is planned to be sold off

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and handed over to property developers

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and then finally you have the data NHS

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data is comprehensive 50 plus million

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people within any two things and this is

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a treasure trove of data to companies

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like Google and other companies who are

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waiting in the wings to get their hands

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on in fact the Royal Free Hospital in

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London have done a deal with a company

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owned by google deepmind which they have

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handed over 1.2 million patient records

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arise unknown oh yes but the other the

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other thing that people need to realize

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is their safety their future king is

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being put at risk in the meantime

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effectively the healthcare providers

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like doctors and nurses are being gagged

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by a culture of bullying and

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intimidation if they raise concerns and

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one case that I wish to highlight me I

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can is that on dr. Chris day who raised

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concerns about under starting in his

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hospital he raised this with a body

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called health education England which

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looks after the training and appointment

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of doctors and later he found that his

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training number which is crucial to

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progress in your career was removed

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false allegations are made against him

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and he's been fighting a two year long

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legal battle through which it turns out

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a loophole in employment law excludes

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whistleblower protection for all 54,000

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junior doctors in the country and the

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government have refused to close this

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loophole public not really aware this

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are there because the BBC as you say the

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coverage is very superficial isn't it

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you have a NHS story every every six

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weeks or so a normal as you said it's

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pushing a sort of pro privatization

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agenda I'd often well and then what the

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what they're also doing is painting

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Simon Stevie's CS evils are some

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innocent intermediary but in fact if you

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look as past history with he was the

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chief executive of UnitedHealth global

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which is one of the Americans business

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insurance companies and he's heading up

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and it is England this really should

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ring alarm bells mighty a bit of the

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1980s and British Rail the way that the

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government they're willfully underfunded

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British Rail they got the public to turn

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against British world in a way so that

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they could then come along in the 90s

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and say look British Royal isn't working

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the trains aren't working we've got a

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privatized and hopefully the public

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would think yes when it's got to be an

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improvement is an element of that here

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that's exactly what's happened we're now

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in the defunding stage then you get to

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making people angry and the solution

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will be presented well the only way to

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save this is top-up insurance so that's

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why you've got this waiting list

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announcement that they will increase you

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and also have the restriction of

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services such as restricting care for

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people who are overweight or smokers who

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drink alcohol so you have this narrative

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of the undeserving sick yes I they said

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it's coming more and more prepare the

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ocean or social cohesion softening us up

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for the final privatization steps and

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it's interesting isn't it that the

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opinion polls show that that saving NHS

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comes very high on people's priorities

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yet when we get to general elections

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even by-elections he sees people vote

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for parties or candidates and actually I

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haven't got a good record on the NHS how

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can we make sure that the NHS which is

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probably the biggest issue that affects

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all of us we're all going to need it we

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all do need it how can we make sure that

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stays at the top of it of the agenda

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well I think it would be a mistake to

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wait for the next election like lots of

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damage is being done in the mean

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time we need to put pressure on the

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political representatives to actually

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act in the public's interest

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unfortunately labor Liberal Democrat and

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the Tories have actually colluded with

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this plan along date the labor

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opposition are still very weak they are

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not flagging up as I have done with you

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the end game which is insurance

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conversion so there has to be a genuine

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ground swell of opinion amongst the

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public to put pressure and say we're not

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having this we've had privatisation of

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our utilities our transport we're having

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privatisation of our education system we

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do not want that to happen to the NHS

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we're going to end up with an insurance

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system which is concerned with

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generating profit at the expense of

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providing patient care and that's not

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something we want to go any teachers

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because you talk about labor but their

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savings that you know began under Labour

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didn't need 2008-9 wasn't it when the

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Labour Party put forward this plaid plan

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for savings in HS and the Conservatives

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have actually increased it as well it

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made it worse well lately Labour

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fragment of the nhf it set up hospitals

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as foundation trusts which are like

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independent arms length businesses and

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they also brought in this fake

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insolvency regime in 2009 and could

551
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justify the closure of hospital based on

552
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the debts of neighboring hospitals but

553
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the other thing that label did before

554
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they left office was commissioned equip

555
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report which was written by the

556
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management consultants for kennedy's and

557
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in very outlined the sale of two-thirds

558
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of NHS sites and also a 50-percent

559
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productivity game within the staff now

560
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how do you do that how do you make them

561
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work twice as hard or you get rid of

562
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half of them or you down skill them so a

563
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cheaper workforce which would generate

564
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more profit and this was Labour's legacy

565
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I'm afraid can the NHS be say this is

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the big question I mean it's probably on

567
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life support now it's still doing a

568
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great job you know hundreds of thousands

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of doctors and nurses are doing

570
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fantastic work every day can it be say

571
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these are still time dr. Gill there is

572
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time to save it the insurance companies

573
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haven't taken it over yet we need to

574
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flag up to the most self interest as

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amongst us that an insurance will not

576
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protect you in your time of need when

577
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you become seriously sick and expensive

578
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they will look for any

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using to dump you and you are left

580
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without care that's how the insurance

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company works that's how private health

582
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care works so we need to look after each

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other's interest because in fact that

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will be serving our own interests as

585
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well I mean I have to look at the u.s.

586
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don't we to see the nightmare of private

587
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insurance healthcare over there yeah so

588
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still in the US is about 30 million with

589
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no insurance they have to take the risk

590
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of out-of-pocket expenses to become ill

591
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and it's a major course of a household

592
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bankruptcy in the u.s. we do not want to

593
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go to that system and in fact there's a

594
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low pressure growing and English for

595
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coming to a system closer to ours and

596
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we're going in the opposite direction

597
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and the funding question because is it

598
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simply a question of warmer having more

599
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money and reversing these savings or is

600
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it also structural changes to end

601
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privatization to end outsourcing we need

602
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to focus on where the energy phys

603
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hemorrhage hemorrhaging money my vet

604
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finance initiative is a major financial

605
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scandal which needs to be addressed and

606
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also the running of the internal market

607
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and the market bureaucracy would save

608
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something upwards of 10 billion a year

609
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well so there isn't a reason to

610
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increased taxation or pretend that we

611
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can't afford it anymore nor Daniel

612
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English country in the world aren't we

613
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we are and when the NHS to set up after

614
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the war we were in much worse financial

615
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situation than we are now very naughty

616
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need to increase funding we need to

617
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restore the NHS as a public service to

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be publicly provided well thank you very

619
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much dr. Gilbert our mothers button

620
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again all the very best of luck with

621
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your fill the great NHS I heist and

622
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people can kind of relate to the

623
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crowdfunding page on the website that's

624
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right go to go fund me calm and if the

625
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grey tentative five well unfortunately

626
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that's all we have time for on the

627
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sputnik this week I've been your Clark

628
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standing in for George anger tree and as

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George would say HB marvelous